The End of the Rabbit Hole – 2C-E


EFFECTS CLASSIFICATION Psychedelic Phenethylamine

CHEMICAL NAME 2,5-dimethoxy-4-ethyl-phenethylamine


DESCRIPTION 2C-E is an synthetic psychedelic. It is uncommon and has only a short history of human use. Man oh man… this drug is IT. I was one with the answer. I WAS the answer. The answer is – everything and nothing. This is so abstract it’s impossible. Yet it was logically the only thing possible. There is no other drug I know of that can infest so many layers. The absolute breathtaking majesty of the infinite synchronicities that are occurring even now, the infinitesimal little variables which force reality to adhere to this particular frame of reference for one fleeting instant. I now have more respect for this drug than mushrooms. Hands down. True ego death. I never realized mine would go down kicking and screaming. That really was pure hell for the last period of time there. Mushrooms reduced my ego, they didn’t kill it. 2C-E was trying to kill me, literally. I believe that if I’d have lost the struggle, I might not have emerged from the half hour of lost time I just had. I shouldn’t say it was trying to kill me – it was nothing personal. It was just showing me the true nature of existence, and in the process myself could no longer logically exist. Strange to realize that from every possible angle you do not logically exist, and to realize this with absolute clarity and certainty. Layer by layer, I was deconstructed. I tried to just exist and vibrate with the intense vibration in my body, but then even that sensation of vibration was shown to be unreal. In fear, I realized that if I gave up control like the drug wanted me to, I may really never come back – the logic of my relentless thoughts left no room to doubt that what I was experiencing was more real than my silly little life, and nothing I could do would change that. I paced back and forth, clenching my fists and muttering to myself, as this was the only stimulation which provided me some sense of still Being; fluttering my eyes around in my head to try to ward off the one thought that would mean the end of me, the one last leap of logic that was right there, so that I wouldn’t die that last death from which I may never return. I could not even think these complete thoughts, as my mind struggling to stay away from the end of this chain left no room for anything else. Layer by layer, reality was stripped bare, to the bone. Exposed. I scrambled for a foothold, anything, for a frame of reference, but inevitably, that too was revealed to me a part of the pattern. Continually, the only conclusion I was able to come to was that my ’self’ isn’t real; it’s just some dream in nothing-land. In reality, there is no ‘me’, and no time, and no anything at all. Essentially, I’ve experienced what it is to be god – the infinite, and I’ve been subjected to the root. We are all part of everything, and everything is the same as nothing. I think I discovered the root cause of every neurotic issue that people can have. It’s all from a very primal fear of ‘non-being’. I don’t think it’s even possible to go deeper into the human psyche than I have done tonight. It was a rough ride though. I lived in eternity for eternity. It was inescapable. Music brought me there but this drug is so immersive that I haven’t had music on for over an hour, and it took me this long to lock myself into this old frame of reference. I gave up hope countless times, resigned myself to the fact that I’m nothing more than a thought in someone else’s head. Or no, wait, actually, THAT is reduced to nothing as well, so I’m nothing! In that inexplicable psychedelic way, I became very sure that was I was seeing was The Real Thing, and my current life was absolutely nothing in comparison to the flow. And the scary part is, it was so convincing that it’s still more real to me now. And I think it always will be. I’ve been shown something which very few are able to glimpse, perhaps for good reason. This drug is like pure, relentless logic. It takes on an organic life of its own and begins to unravel everything. Everything becomes a synchronicity; that I was meant to do this at this time. All of existence lined up perfectly for it. It shows you this with cold logic, very soberly. But then you start zooming out, coming out of the rabbit hole, so to speak. You begin to see these synchronicities unravel. Before long the very concepts of physical existence unravel. You’re left wondering why you’re holding that glass, standing in a room? Oh yeah, making kratom… oh, right, in REALITY, I’m not in this reality but a different one. Wait, where am I? Oh, right, there is no me, and all the things I’ve done up to this point to this being true. Ok, damn, then I was right, I’m nothing… but my mind keeps bouncing off of this concept… into a repeating loop of just the most primal, instinctual fear response. So I finally experienced an ego death. Man, it was painful. I didn’t know I could die on so many levels; I feel that a part of me is gone because of this. I truly had to let go of myself, and that was profound. I had almost constant worries about losing my ’self’, that I’d misplace it somewhere in this raging current of flows and be completely unable to find my way back. Is that how people go insane, I wondered? Am I going to be a vegetable? I reached the point where, aside from the continuing visual stimulation I had, I truly believed that I had ceased to exist. My mind had come to the logical conclusion of unbeing so profoundly that I knew of no way that I could not know about it, be aware of it, and that would be that my self as I knew it was no more. The two states of mind were not mutually exclusive. I was absolutely stripped bare, emotionally raw. I was SO close to freaking out, SO close to calling an ambulance, to get them to inject me with a potent anti-psychotic before it was too late and my ego actually died. I truly, truly felt that I was in a fight for my very existence, one that I better not lose. Fortunately, I guess I must have won. Or have I…? Hopefully I got deposited back into the same reality. It’ll really blow my mind if I start noticing some minor but fundamental changes. Although I have no memory of about 25 minutes there around the peak… hmm. I didn’t even know it was possible to get so far out of the rabbit hole. I’d only ever gotten as far as the god-energy, the oneness. But this time, I saw beyond even that, into a vast nothingness that I can’t even conceive of, a timeless place. I saw that even god, even the lifeforce, all of existence, is just a dream, a blip in the eye of an even larger pattern… and so it goes. It seemed that I was offered a glimpse to what lies at the heart of EVERYTHING, even life itself. And it was absolutely TERRIFYING. I should mention that, during the peak experience, I often couldn’t differentiate between having closed and open eyes. I simply wasn’t ’seeing’ anymore in the usual sense; all I could see was all of reality unfolding, collapsing, with nothing to hold itself up. Infinitely expanding and infinitely collapsing. I truly became lost to myself, and it was a struggle because I truly felt I had to maintain some inkling of myself or I’d never come back to the me as I know him. Holding a train of thought was impossible, as is probably evidenced by my insane ramblings above… I haven’t gone back to read through that, yet. Also, I should mention that time dilation was extreme, to the point where I experienced infinity. Also, I definitely experienced time go backwards at one point, when I wrote an observation at 1:45 and then my next was at 1:37. I also became actually quite alarmed at one point by my physical reactions, which were I believe entirely psychosomatic. It was during the time when I was being shown that I’m not real, and I was fighting to keep some shred of my self, and my heart was beating very fast. I was having shoulder/chest pains, and I felt that my body was under extreme duress. After this passed, it was as if nothing of the sort had happened and I felt fine, albeit with a sore back and bruised ego. It was so strange and somehow… sad, that I had to repeatedly die on so many levels. I lost every single connection that I could have possibly had to my conception of reality. I had no reference point at all. It was all gone, reduced to nothingness, shown how it is obsolete in the face of this drug’s relentless logic. It was weird, because I was having a great time, enjoying rather superficial closed-eye soundscapes, when all of a sudden, I plunged headfirst into the rabbit hole. It truly was an Infinite Complexity of Significance. It was more immersive than any other drug I’ve done, including mushrooms. That’s right, a phenethylamine with greater depth than a tryptamine. The reason is because tryptamines, to me, bring you out to the farthest reaches of reality, to enter the lifeforce. 2C-E took me beyond the lifeforce and into the void. It truly was the most afraid I’ve ever been in my life. And it’s even more amazing and complete than I’d ever thought possible. I felt like every possible synapse in my brain was firing, and I was perceiving reality in such a complete way that it was impossible to have an ego. In my newfound brilliance, I logically deduced that I didn’t exist, so it began to be so. But it was impossible to deny, though I tried constantly to do so. As others have reported, I felt very strongly that there was an uncanny level of structure, including a shocking amount that HAD to have been predetermined. I felt like I was waking up. Many themes from the first time were revisited, only this time, instead of making no sense, they made complete sense; TOO MUCH sense. However, as was probably a good thing considering the level of freaking out I already did, the images of abduction and human suffering were absent. I’m also appreciating the nice, ‘rolling’ quality of this plateau. The intensity is dropped to a manageable level, but the mind is left receptive enough to partially grasp what has just happened. Although the drop-off in acute effects is sudden, it was welcome. I experienced a moment during the peak that stretched to infinity. Unfortunately it occurred while I was fighting to save myself. All in all, I’m not sure if I can do 2C-E again, though I’m glad I had the experience as it was very enlightening. However, I went farther in than I’ve ever thought possible, and I don’t particularly want to ever go so far in again. It was definitely a very dangerous state of mind. This experience makes a +4 on mushrooms look tame by comparison. I had a +4 last night, that mystical, irrefutable experience that changes you forever. Except I’d call it more like a +5… take care, everyone, with this drug. It’s the most powerful I’ve ever encountered. People who cannot handle the kind of experience I’ve described have no business taking this drug, and I pray that you won’t, because you might not be as lucky as me to escape (seemingly) unscathed. For those of you who wish to see what I’ve seen, my the force be with you. Be prepared as I was not, and remember to have some way out of this thought loop at some point (mine was kratom. Benzodiazepines probably would have worked even better). And be prepared to go deeper than you ever thought possible. And for the love of god, I can’t understand how someone could take more than 18mg of this, like the reports of people taking up to 50mg. My only explanation is they must have very impure 2C-E, or they were given something like 2C-I which really is like a child’s toy compared to this True Psychedelic. Take care. It is most often found in powder or crystal form and is most often taken orally. As with any psychedelic active at low doses, extreme caution should be used when trying this material for the first time, because it can affect people differently. The chart below shows oral dosages for 2C-E in milligrams (mg). Xorkoth – / Onset : 20 – 90 minutes (depending on form and stomach contents) Duration : 6 – 10 hours Normal After Effects : 2 – 6 hours – To truly find God, truth needs to be found independently from the opinions of others. The truth has to be found in our hearts. -A.H.Almaas Alexander “Sasha” Shulgin (born June 17, 1925 in Berkeley, California) is a Russian-American pharmacologist, chemist and drug developer. Shulgin is credited with the popularization of MDMA in the late 1970s and early 1980s, especially for psychopharmaceutical use and the treatment of depression and post-traumatic stress disorder. In subsequent years, Shulgin discovered, synthesized, and bioassayed over 230 psychoactive compounds. In 1991 and 1997, he and his wife Ann Shulgin authored the books PiHKAL and TiHKAL on the topic of psychoactive drugs. Shulgin discovered many noteworthy phenethylamines including the 2C* family of which 2C-T-2, 2C-T-7, 2C-E, 2C-I, and 2C-B are most well known. Additionally, Shulgin performed seminal work into the descriptive synthesis of compounds based on the organic compound tryptamine. He is currently continuing his work at home in Lafayette, California, and is writing a new comprehensive psychedelic drug index. Shulgin began studying organic chemistry as a Harvard University scholarship student. In 1943, at the age of 19, he dropped out of school, and joined the U.S. Navy, where he eventually became interested in pharmacology.[1] After serving in the Navy, he returned to Berkeley, California, and in 1954 earned his Ph.D. in biochemistry from the University of California, Berkeley. Through the late 50’s, Shulgin completed post-doctoral work in the fields of psychiatry and pharmacology at University of California, San Francisco. After working at Bio-Rad Laboratories as a research director for a brief period, he began work at Dow Chemical Company as a senior research chemist. It was at this time that he had a series of psychedelic experiences that helped to shape his further goals and research, beginning with an experience with mescaline He would later write that everything he saw and thought “had been brought about by a fraction of a gram of a white solid, but that in no way whatsoever could it be argued that these memories had been contained within the white solid… I understood that our entire universe is contained in the mind and the spirit. We may choose not to find access to it, we may even deny its existence, but it is indeed there inside us, and there are chemicals that can catalyze its availability.”

4 thoughts on “The End of the Rabbit Hole – 2C-E

  1. Parag says:

    I remember tumbling down the rabbit hole on 2c-e as well. It was a couple a months ago, but I clearly remember the important portions. I had been peaking for maybe half hour. Lying in my bed with my eyes closed. Amongst the endless flow and synchronicities of thought, I wondered and began try to remember what I was doing before the trip. I had gone to Meijer and some other stuff. But more importantly, it felt like my whole evening before the trip had happened decades before. I suddenly realized I had absolutely no clue who I had been before the trip started. Then I felt myself unraveling. I decided the only thing keeping from completely dissolving was the voice inside my head. But even that aspect of myself began unraveling, and it was at this point I wondered whether or not I would ever come back from where the trip had brought me. This was frightening. This was second occasion I had take 2c-e, and the first time I quickly learned how to steer myself away from a bad trip. I told myself that I was on chemical, and once it wore off, I’d be okay, I’d be back. I felt much better at that point, and afterward is when I must have died. Just complete nothingness. All I remember of the nothingness was waking up from it. It was truly a death and rebirth. Such a humbling and enlightening powder this 2c-e is. My greatest fear of the death was exactly that nothingness which I experienced. The trip finally smashed to bits any notion I had of personality survival after death.

  2. will says:

    thats not what its like at all

  3. will says:

    im on 50mg right now and im just seeing visuals, yall sound like your talking about a dmt trip/.

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